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We explore ending our criminal approach to drugs and regulating the market again. If you’re not sure what that sentence means, you’re in the right place. We start at square one, where we were as staunch supporters of the War on Drugs. What changed our minds? Welcome to the show.
We explore ending our criminal approach to drugs and regulating the market again. If you’re not sure what that sentence means, you’re in the right place. We start at square one, where we were as staunch supporters of the War on Drugs. What changed our minds? Welcome to the show.
Episodes

Tuesday Oct 21, 2025
Ep. 95 - Bombing Boats, Stop and Frisk, 7-OH, and Ibogaine - Bryan Mauk
Tuesday Oct 21, 2025
Tuesday Oct 21, 2025
In this episode, Christina Dent and Bryan Mauk discuss the erosion of civil liberties due to drug policies, the implications of military actions against drug trafficking, and the ongoing debate surrounding substances like kratom and psychedelics. They explore how historical precedents in drug enforcement have led to current practices that compromise individual rights and question the effectiveness of aggressive interdiction strategies.
Topics
The Erosion of Civil Liberties in Drug Policy
Military Actions and Drug Interdiction
The Impact of Drug Supply Disruption
The Debate on Kratom and 7-OH
Exploring the Potential of Ibogaine

Tuesday Oct 07, 2025
Ep. 94 - 7-OH: Policing, Pain Management, and Policy - Sgt. Terry Blevins (Ret.)
Tuesday Oct 07, 2025
Tuesday Oct 07, 2025
In this episode, Christina Dent speaks with Terry Blevins, a former law enforcement officer and soldier and current advocate for 7-OH, a derivative of kratom. They discuss the failures of drug prohibition, the moral conflicts faced by law enforcement, and the potential benefits of 7-OH as a pain management option. The conversation emphasizes the need for regulation over prohibition, the importance of research, and the societal implications of drug policy.
Sgt. Terry Blevins (Ret.) is a former law enforcement officer, the Law Enforcement Advisor to 7-HOPE Alliance, and a national security expert. He brings decades of experience in law enforcement, national security, and public safety. He began his career in Arizona law enforcement, later serving in the U.S. Department of Defense and State Department, where he advised governments on counter-terrorism and critical infrastructure protection.
Chapters:
00:00 Introduction to Terry Blevins and 7-OH Advocacy
14:55 Law Enforcement Perspectives on Drug Prohibition
25:28 The Shift in Law Enforcement Focus
33:04 Understanding 7-OH: A New Pain Management Option
44:13 The Dangers of Prohibition vs. Smart Regulation
59:45 Future Directions for 7-OH and Drug Policy Reform
Keywords: drug policy, 7-OH, law enforcement, prohibition, pain management, advocacy, cannabis, opioid crisis, harm reduction, drug regulation

Tuesday Sep 23, 2025
Tuesday Sep 23, 2025
Could respect, not punishment, be the key to reducing harm from drugs and addiction?
Jim Babka, host of the Gracearchy podcast and Social Strategist for the Foundation for Harmony and Prosperty, joins Christina Dent to explain the Natural Principle of Human Respect. It's a simple but powerful idea that coercion always diminishes happiness, harmony, and prosperity.
Using lessons from the playground, flying cars, and even gravity, Jim shows how respecting others unlocks trust, community, and progress. From psychedelics to policy, he explains how force backfires and opportunities are lost when we ignore this principle.
This episode challenges us to rethink adult solutions by remembering the simple rules we practiced as kids, and to consider whether so many of our problems are caused by the fact that our laws are not consistent with what we learned on the playground.
Resources:
- Gracearchy Podcast with Jim Babka
- Connect with the Foundation for Harmony and Prosperity
- "Curious" by Christina Dent - 75% of proceeds further the work of End It For Good
- End It For Good - Join our newsletter for stories, events, and solutions to drugs and addiction.

Tuesday Sep 09, 2025
Ep. 92 - 7-OH: A New Frontier in Pain Management - Dr. Michele Ross
Tuesday Sep 09, 2025
Tuesday Sep 09, 2025
Christina sits down with Dr. Michele Ross to talk about 7-OH, a new substance that’s closely connected to kratom. They unpack what it is, why people are using it, and what it could mean for pain management and addiction recovery. The conversation also looks at the FDA’s response, the push for medical freedom, and why education and responsible use matter so much with plant medicines like this one. They also explore the risks of banning substances and driving them into the underground market, where people lose access to safety and quality.
Resources:
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7-HOPE Alliance Foundation: https://7hopealliance.org
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Campaign to save 7OH - https://www.save7oh.org/
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Dr Ross' book Kratom Is Medicine (2021): https://a.co/d/1Dw0dRh

Tuesday Aug 26, 2025
Ep. 91 - The Future of Cannabis Economics - Geoff Lawrence
Tuesday Aug 26, 2025
Tuesday Aug 26, 2025
What does it take to build a thriving legal marijuana market?
Christina Dent and Bryan Mauk sit down with Geoffrey Lawrence, Research Director at the Reason Foundation, to explore the economic lessons from cannabis legalization across the United States.
Drawing on his unique experience as a researcher and a CFO in the marijuana industry, Geoff explains how smart regulation can undercut the black market, foster innovation, and create healthier communities.
They discuss the evolution of cannabis laws, what motivates legalization, and how future policy could open the door to interstate commerce, new products, and stronger legal markets.
Links:
- Reason Foundation: https://reason.org/
- Reason Magazine: https://reason.com/
- Get Curious: https://a.co/d/3ArcF8z

Tuesday Aug 12, 2025
Tuesday Aug 12, 2025
The war on drugs is not just affecting the US population. In this episode, we're joined by Franco Iacomini, Latin America editor at Christianity Today, to discuss his recent article on how cartel violence is impacting churches in Mexico. In many rural communities, children are forcibly recruited into cartels, and for some, drug trafficking becomes the only viable path to economic survival.
These heartbreaking realities are symptoms of a global war on drugs that fuels black markets and empowers violent organizations. Could legal regulation be the key to disrupting these cycles of harm?
Resources:
- Read Franco's Article: https://www.christianitytoday.com/2025/06/mexico-cartels-persecution
- Get Curious (Now only $10!): https://a.co/d/dZMRfE1

Tuesday Jul 29, 2025
Tuesday Jul 29, 2025
What if prisons focused less on punishment and more on healing? In this episode, Brian Koehn shares his journey from overseeing 65 prisons to launching the world’s first full-service nonprofit prison model. He explains why a human-centered approach could transform corrections, and why it’s time we expect more from our corrections system.
Learn More: https://spcor.org/
Get Curious: https://a.co/d/7B9ci2k

Tuesday Jul 15, 2025
Ep. 88 - 10 Reasons to End the Drug War - Dr. Jeffrey Miron
Tuesday Jul 15, 2025
Tuesday Jul 15, 2025
Is drug prohibition doing more harm than good? In this episode, Harvard’s Dr. Jeffrey Miron explains the economic principles behind his long-standing opposition to criminalizing drugs, and offers thoughtful responses to 10 common objections. If the idea of legalizing heroin sounds outrageous, this episode is for you.
Links:
- Get Curious by Christina Dent: https://a.co/d/c2Ijpua
- Dr. Miron's Articles: https://www.cato.org/people/jeffrey-miron
- Dr. Miron's Substack: https://jeffreymiron.substack.com/

Tuesday Jul 01, 2025
Ep. 87 - How Families Can Support Recovery - Caroline Beidler
Tuesday Jul 01, 2025
Tuesday Jul 01, 2025
A social worker, author, and national recovery advocate, Caroline Beidler opens up about how addiction shaped her identity, how faith and family played pivotal roles in her healing, and why recovery is about much more than sobriety.
She offers deep insight for families walking alongside a loved one struggling with addiction and challenges the idea of “tough love” with a call for “extravagant love” rooted in connection and community.
Whether you’re in recovery, love someone who is, or want to better understand addiction and healing, this episode is for you.
Connect with Caroline:
- Website: www.carolinebeidler.com
- Substack: https://carolinebeidler.substack.com/
- Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/carolinebeidler_official/

Tuesday Jun 17, 2025
Tuesday Jun 17, 2025
Dr. Lisa Stanton was thriving in her career, advancing in clinical research, and checking every box of outward success, but behind closed doors, alcohol was quietly taking control. In this episode, she opens up about living with functional addiction, the moment of reckoning, and how recovery brought her true freedom. A candid conversation that challenges how we think about addiction and who it affects.
Connect with Dr. Stanton:
- Website: www.drlisastanton.com
- Substack: https://thingsonmyheart.substack.com/
- Book: https://amzn.to/47SWJtS
- Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/drlisastanton
